Sunday, October 09, 2005

Thank you, bloggers

The spontaneous and spirited support from bloggers all over is deeply appreciated.

Updates, tomorrow.

68 comments:

  1. Dont worry rashmi , we are there with you....and continue blogging and dont get affected !

    Cheers!

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  2. Hey rashmi;

    I've been out of the blogging action for some time.NEways wanna tell you.....that im with you and that you better do something about these stupid fella's.GIVE THEM HELL.:)

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  3. I read your JAMMAG article on IIPM. You've done a thorough, fact-based exposure of what most of us suspected already. I appreciate your work and am with you, as you continue doing good work through your blog and JAM. Keep up the good work!

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  4. Dear Rashmi,

    This mud slinging is terrible! I did see the Tehelka article on JAM MAG accepting money to write articles like these, but that does not justify these attacks on you...

    Regards

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  5. Hey 'Mr.IIPM Rankings - The Real Truth' - Firstly your name itself suggests you're a fake. Real bloggers use real names. Not defence mechanisms! :)

    What Tehelka article pal? Care to share it with the rest of the world? Perhaps it was a special IIPM-sponsored one which never got released.

    What is this? Blog Wars? I'm sure the next thing I'll see is you guys talking about JAM in your full page tomtoming ads. Bring it on! Rashmi's got the whole blogosphere on her side :)

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  6. hi rashmi, i am a current student at iipm and i have read jammag, your site, other blogs and frankly, i feel you have given very biased comments from your side about iipm.

    i have also heard from an iipm faculty that even your firm has received a legal court notice about this case. somehow, i appreciated that a lot because the reality is, not only iipm students across india, but even our alumnii is pretty convinced about you have not researched the truth about iipm. we've been here for an year and we really know the amount of effort that iipm takes. but despite iipm having such a massive effort on ensuring the highest quality of academics and infrastructure and placements (and of course, despite daring to think beyond...; a statement which peeves of many from a particular bunch of institutes) a very one-sided viewpoint from you and some other bloggers - some of whom are iim passouts - seem steeped in blogging utterly wrong information. all you need to do is to walk in yourself to any iipm campus and ask any student about what is iipm.

    frankly, have you personally visited any iipm campus and on the campus talked to faculty or student? you yourself would accept you personally have never visited any iipm campus. i repeat "on the campus" because you have never done that yourself. it seems that your junior journalist - who might have been part time - has gone really overboard with inexperience in journalism.

    further, if there is an institute that dares to think beyond iims, u of course would have read the various news articles from iipm where iipm actually extolls the virtues of iims being there and being benchmarks in management. show me one article where any iipm faculty has said that iims are bad. the fact is that we are really thankful there are institutes like iims that are world benchmarks. if iipm cannot dare to think beyond the iims, what is the information being passed out to us. never dare? that seems one-sided. at least for once, do not be so one sided.

    and seriously, at least now, please do visit any campus and on the campus talk to faculty and students instead of just keeping on referring to blogs and emails, which anyways have no credibily (not even this post should be taken for granted, pleas confirm yourself).

    because finally it's not about a war where you believe you are fighting against iipm, it's about realizing that there is an institution that at least is contributing with a lot of sincere and dedicated effort to studentss and corporations. that is why the confidence in my statement that you yourself should come to any campus and talk to any student on the campus.

    do not please have such a one sided viewpoint. i (and my friends) have failed to understand the reason why your article and other viewpoints are so one sided.

    i am sure your journalistic standards would prevail.

    regards
    andrew

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  7. hi rashmi, i am a current student at iipm and i have read jammag, your site, other blogs and frankly, i feel you have given very biased comments from your side about iipm.

    i have also heard from an iipm faculty that even your firm has received a legal court notice about this case. somehow, i appreciated that a lot because the reality is, not only iipm students across india, but even our alumnii is pretty convinced about you have not researched the truth about iipm. we've been here for an year and we really know the amount of effort that iipm takes. but despite iipm having such a massive effort on ensuring the highest quality of academics and infrastructure and placements (and of course, despite daring to think beyond...; a statement which peeves of many from a particular bunch of institutes) a very one-sided viewpoint from you and some other bloggers - some of whom are iim passouts - seem steeped in blogging utterly wrong information. all you need to do is to walk in yourself to any iipm campus and ask any student about what is iipm.

    frankly, have you personally visited any iipm campus and on the campus talked to faculty or student? you yourself would accept you personally have never visited any iipm campus. i repeat "on the campus" because you have never done that yourself. it seems that your junior journalist - who might have been part time - has gone really overboard with inexperience in journalism.

    further, if there is an institute that dares to think beyond iims, u of course would have read the various news articles from iipm where iipm actually extolls the virtues of iims being there and being benchmarks in management. show me one article where any iipm faculty has said that iims are bad. the fact is that we are really thankful there are institutes like iims that are world benchmarks. if iipm cannot dare to think beyond the iims, what is the information being passed out to us. never dare? that seems one-sided. at least for once, do not be so one sided.

    and seriously, at least now, please do visit any campus and on the campus talk to faculty and students instead of just keeping on referring to blogs and emails, which anyways have no credibily (not even this post should be taken for granted, pleas confirm yourself).

    because finally it's not about a war where you believe you are fighting against iipm, it's about realizing that there is an institution that at least is contributing with a lot of sincere and dedicated effort to studentss and corporations. that is why the confidence in my statement that you yourself should come to any campus and talk to any student on the campus.

    do not please have such a one sided viewpoint. i (and my friends) have failed to understand the reason why your article and other viewpoints are so one sided.

    i am sure your journalistic standards would prevail.

    regards
    andrew

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  8. hi rashmi, i am a current student at iipm and i have read jammag, your site, other blogs and frankly, i feel you have given very biased comments from your side about iipm.

    i have also heard from an iipm faculty that even your firm has received a legal court notice about this case. somehow, i appreciated that a lot because the reality is, not only iipm students across india, but even our alumnii is pretty convinced about you have not researched the truth about iipm. we've been here for an year and we really know the amount of effort that iipm takes. but despite iipm having such a massive effort on ensuring the highest quality of academics and infrastructure and placements (and of course, despite daring to think beyond...; a statement which peeves of many from a particular bunch of institutes) a very one-sided viewpoint from you and some other bloggers - some of whom are iim passouts - seem steeped in blogging utterly wrong information. all you need to do is to walk in yourself to any iipm campus and ask any student about what is iipm.

    frankly, have you personally visited any iipm campus and on the campus talked to faculty or student? you yourself would accept you personally have never visited any iipm campus. i repeat "on the campus" because you have never done that yourself. it seems that your junior journalist - who might have been part time - has gone really overboard with inexperience in journalism.

    further, if there is an institute that dares to think beyond iims, u of course would have read the various news articles from iipm where iipm actually extolls the virtues of iims being there and being benchmarks in management. show me one article where any iipm faculty has said that iims are bad. the fact is that we are really thankful there are institutes like iims that are world benchmarks. if iipm cannot dare to think beyond the iims, what is the information being passed out to us. never dare? that seems one-sided. at least for once, do not be so one sided.

    and seriously, at least now, please do visit any campus and on the campus talk to faculty and students instead of just keeping on referring to blogs and emails, which anyways have no credibily (not even this post should be taken for granted, pleas confirm yourself).

    because finally it's not about a war where you believe you are fighting against iipm, it's about realizing that there is an institution that at least is contributing with a lot of sincere and dedicated effort to studentss and corporations. that is why the confidence in my statement that you yourself should come to any campus and talk to any student on the campus.

    do not please have such a one sided viewpoint. i (and my friends) have failed to understand the reason why your article and other viewpoints are so one sided.

    i am sure your journalistic standards would prevail.

    regards
    andrew

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  9. sorry rashmi for posting the comment so many times; i clicked thrice on the link as it wasn't responding.

    regards
    andrew

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  10. Dear 'IIPM Rankings-'The Real Truth':

    Glad to know that you and ur crony Arindam has started shitt#$$ in your pants.

    BTW, how much of IIPM err Arindam's budjet is devoted to this shi#$@

    BTW, the blog world is filled with Arindam IIPM fraud...guess u would have seen it by now..

    Regards,

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  11. Hey Andy:
    First tell me how did Arindam got a gold medal from his own insti....err..IIPM

    I went to IIPM and none of his cronies could tell me...

    please enlighten all of us...

    Regards,

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  12. dear truthhurts, i don't know about that. we could discuss that to no ends. but the issue would remain where it started. but anyway, like i said, it's perhaps not anymore about the issue's typical debates that one might be concerned about; but perhaps about the overall tenacity with which we handle these things. bcos personally, i think using a blogroll or blog diary is a good way to keep in touch with friends and let them know what's up, and of course, to give comments, which is what you and i and others will be doing. but hopefully, it would also be a good way to underscore information with data and relevance rather than with debates that have no starts and ends. anyways, gotta go now. will communicate in da evening. best regards

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  13. This is freaking hilarious!
    Cheers, keep it up RB.

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  14. dear rashmi,
    i left a reply to mridula on another post. i'm copying one copy out here. it might help you think of some valid points. regards and wishes, andrew


    dear mridula, your question is logical and i hope i can give an answer to it; though it might not be the official one. here goes.

    your question is, why does iipm advertise full page ads and iims do not. there could be two straightforward reasons to the same as i see them. one is that iipm has seven branches across india compared to other institutes that have only one branch and need to advertise only once. iipm also has two sessions per year, that could further double up the already seven multiple on the ads (making it 14 times). and compared to the perception premium that fms or xlri might already have, on which i would not be able to put a figure, but a figure of double could be at least figuratively placed, making the number of ads to be at least 28 timesin a year.

    if you additionally add the fact that iipm has to advertise for its bba programs also, apart from the mba programs (even tho many ads carry both together) now that would amount to almost one ad every two weeks throughout the year. now i really don't know the number of times the iipm ad has come out - i really have not counted - but it is safe to say that my insti would be advertising around this average. that's the first reason.

    secondly, if an institute were providing such wonderful placements, students must be falling over each other to join it is your second question. i should say that that happens across iipm campuses. at the same time i should also clearly mention that while only around 40000 apply to iipm entrance exams, almost 3 lakh plus apply to iims, thus there is a huge difference between the application numbers between iims and iipm, and that difference is accepted by me. just for calculations (to be honest, not precisely, but just approximately) i was just aggregating the no of students in all the campuses in mba and bba programmes; the total students in all the seven campuses of iipm would be approx equal to 8000 plus. but you'll have to factor in the fact that around 25% are bba students; still you'llhave a humongous 6000 or so mba. you'll again have to factor in the fact that there are two batches etc etc.

    now for placements, it is a fact that around 25%of the batch doesn't apply for placements. now i really don't know how you would take it but i didn't believe the figure myself till i became part of the placement coordination committee (i'm not the secretary tho, that's brijesh prasad under a.sharma). almost 25% of the batch are sons and daughters of businessmen or people who wish to start their own businesses or people who are laterally placed before the last term starts. if one were to go by the companies that came this year, from sap, to oracle, to max, to a.paints and so on so forth, i can tell you this much that at least as far as my investigations could reveal, placements were really good. in one of my posts, you would've noticed that i wrote about rashmi not doing correct journalism. for example, one of her statements was that students got into hln and not HLL. she did not mention that hln (or hindustan levers network) is a division of HLL (hindustan levers limited) and that it was actually HLL that recruited the students? if an iipm student got into the nescafe division of nestle, would it be wrong to write that the student has been recruited by nestle. or should one keep writing only nescafe (which might sound a little inane)?

    that is why i was somehow confused on why did rashmi write each and every statement so negatively. since i have been here, i have had almost around 15 ivy league professors who have come to iipm campuses and have taken seminars at iipm.

    when our professors met rashmi at her office and asked her why she wrote, apart from other false statements, another false statement that no such professor had come over to iipm, she responded that these professors only took seminars with iipm students and not sessions (??!!??!!)

    you can ask rashmi the truth behind this statement of mine and if she really is honest, she won't be able to deny even one part of this statement as our professor provided us all the details of his meeting with her that happened in front of three other people, including another journalist that rashmi knows herself.

    the fact is, rashmi knows she has lied on more parts than one. and that is something that is so bad of a person who says she is a journalist.
    she writes that there is no wi-fi in any of iipm campuses and that no student has any laptop. i believe her part-time journalist pulled a fast one on rashmi herself (because when i see her blogs, she sounds sensible; that is why i am really surprised she wrote this). all students have laptops provided by iipm and all students have access to wi-fi in all our campuses.
    that is why i requested rashmi to come herself to the campus and ask any student (any student) whether the student has a laptop or whether the campus has or doesn't have a wi-fi connection. if rashmi were to do that, i am so sure she would withdraw her own comments because that is truly not journalism.

    mridula, coming to your final point, if you write something about iit kanpur, the guys there are not going to bat an eyelid. neither would iipm bat an eyelid. but how would iit kanpur professors react if some journalist were to hire part-time journalists, take out a print journal (jammag is a print journal) and write false things about iit kanpur.

    to quote the case of iit kanpur, you can ask any of the professors of iit kanpur how they jumped up at journalists when their center for enterprise technology (cet), a private company started by iit kanpur in collaboration with EL-NET (go ahead, ask IIT Kanpur professors, they won't be able to deny even one word of it) left thousands of students across india high and dry after eating away a lot of their money. journalists wrote about how iit kanpur had usurped money of thousands of students. iit kanpur went up in arms agains many such net sites and journalists claiming that it was EL-NET that cheated students and that iit kanpur was just the testing and certifying agency.

    the example i am quoting is for telling you that it's not about iit kanpur or iipm, but about a journalist writing false things (or being given false articles by her hired hands). if there were something that could be attempted, it could be a truthful debate rather than blog slur which is what i feel is neither ineffective nor adequate.

    regards and wishes,

    andrew

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  15. dear rashmi,
    i left a reply to mridula on another post. i'm copying one copy out here. it might help you think of some valid points. regards and wishes, andrew


    dear mridula, your question is logical and i hope i can give an answer to it; though it might not be the official one. here goes.

    your question is, why does iipm advertise full page ads and iims do not. there could be two straightforward reasons to the same as i see them. one is that iipm has seven branches across india compared to other institutes that have only one branch and need to advertise only once. iipm also has two sessions per year, that could further double up the already seven multiple on the ads (making it 14 times). and compared to the perception premium that fms or xlri might already have, on which i would not be able to put a figure, but a figure of double could be at least figuratively placed, making the number of ads to be at least 28 timesin a year.

    if you additionally add the fact that iipm has to advertise for its bba programs also, apart from the mba programs (even tho many ads carry both together) now that would amount to almost one ad every two weeks throughout the year. now i really don't know the number of times the iipm ad has come out - i really have not counted - but it is safe to say that my insti would be advertising around this average. that's the first reason.

    secondly, if an institute were providing such wonderful placements, students must be falling over each other to join it is your second question. i should say that that happens across iipm campuses. at the same time i should also clearly mention that while only around 40000 apply to iipm entrance exams, almost 3 lakh plus apply to iims, thus there is a huge difference between the application numbers between iims and iipm, and that difference is accepted by me. just for calculations (to be honest, not precisely, but just approximately) i was just aggregating the no of students in all the campuses in mba and bba programmes; the total students in all the seven campuses of iipm would be approx equal to 8000 plus. but you'll have to factor in the fact that around 25% are bba students; still you'llhave a humongous 6000 or so mba. you'll again have to factor in the fact that there are two batches etc etc.

    now for placements, it is a fact that around 25%of the batch doesn't apply for placements. now i really don't know how you would take it but i didn't believe the figure myself till i became part of the placement coordination committee (i'm not the secretary tho, that's brijesh prasad under a.sharma). almost 25% of the batch are sons and daughters of businessmen or people who wish to start their own businesses or people who are laterally placed before the last term starts. if one were to go by the companies that came this year, from sap, to oracle, to max, to a.paints and so on so forth, i can tell you this much that at least as far as my investigations could reveal, placements were really good. in one of my posts, you would've noticed that i wrote about rashmi not doing correct journalism. for example, one of her statements was that students got into hln and not HLL. she did not mention that hln (or hindustan levers network) is a division of HLL (hindustan levers limited) and that it was actually HLL that recruited the students? if an iipm student got into the nescafe division of nestle, would it be wrong to write that the student has been recruited by nestle. or should one keep writing only nescafe (which might sound a little inane)?

    that is why i was somehow confused on why did rashmi write each and every statement so negatively. since i have been here, i have had almost around 15 ivy league professors who have come to iipm campuses and have taken seminars at iipm.

    when our professors met rashmi at her office and asked her why she wrote, apart from other false statements, another false statement that no such professor had come over to iipm, she responded that these professors only took seminars with iipm students and not sessions (??!!??!!)

    you can ask rashmi the truth behind this statement of mine and if she really is honest, she won't be able to deny even one part of this statement as our professor provided us all the details of his meeting with her that happened in front of three other people, including another journalist that rashmi knows herself.

    the fact is, rashmi knows she has lied on more parts than one. and that is something that is so bad of a person who says she is a journalist.
    she writes that there is no wi-fi in any of iipm campuses and that no student has any laptop. i believe her part-time journalist pulled a fast one on rashmi herself (because when i see her blogs, she sounds sensible; that is why i am really surprised she wrote this). all students have laptops provided by iipm and all students have access to wi-fi in all our campuses.
    that is why i requested rashmi to come herself to the campus and ask any student (any student) whether the student has a laptop or whether the campus has or doesn't have a wi-fi connection. if rashmi were to do that, i am so sure she would withdraw her own comments because that is truly not journalism.

    mridula, coming to your final point, if you write something about iit kanpur, the guys there are not going to bat an eyelid. neither would iipm bat an eyelid. but how would iit kanpur professors react if some journalist were to hire part-time journalists, take out a print journal (jammag is a print journal) and write false things about iit kanpur.

    to quote the case of iit kanpur, you can ask any of the professors of iit kanpur how they jumped up at journalists when their center for enterprise technology (cet), a private company started by iit kanpur in collaboration with EL-NET (go ahead, ask IIT Kanpur professors, they won't be able to deny even one word of it) left thousands of students across india high and dry after eating away a lot of their money. journalists wrote about how iit kanpur had usurped money of thousands of students. iit kanpur went up in arms agains many such net sites and journalists claiming that it was EL-NET that cheated students and that iit kanpur was just the testing and certifying agency.

    the example i am quoting is for telling you that it's not about iit kanpur or iipm, but about a journalist writing false things (or being given false articles by her hired hands). if there were something that could be attempted, it could be a truthful debate rather than blog slur which is what i feel is neither ineffective nor adequate.

    regards and wishes,

    andrew

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  16. ....and sorry again. my laptop is the culprit for the double posts as i have the habit of clicking twice to ensure the post is published. regards, andy...

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  17. Got linked to this place via another blogger who commented on my blog. I was wondering how did I miss the story on IIPM especially when I was very much in Bombay!!! Better late than never though. Always wondered if Arindam Chaudhary was related to Deepak Chopra.

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  18. im no IIPM-ite.. and neither do i have any affiliation towards the institute..
    infact i was an ardent supporter of ur campaign till maybe i read thru andy's comment..

    hi rashmi,
    i've been a regular reader of JAM since perhaps it was born.. also been following ur blog..a bit from the shadows.. commented just once previously when JAM celebrated its b'day lately..
    when i first read ur article in JAM about the bazaar run by ponytail guru.. in the name of IIPM.. i really appreciated ur effort and ur guts to initiate to disrobe this "DARE TO THINK BEYOND.." scandal..

    but now when i look back at it.. i see that it was actually a very biased opinion that u are supporting..
    being a journalist.. ((im not sure if u qualify as one.. since JAM is not a mainstream journal..)) we would expect u to present a balanced view point on the issue.. and with an a stance directed towards the wrong-doings happening in the name of imparting education..
    i understand that anyone would be furious over such dubious claims being passed of and students misguided.. but it should not be a totally one sided flow of thoughts..

    well, anyway, ur credibility says u perhaps know better than Me.. and u know it the best what u are doing.. but i also fail to uderstand the logic and the sense that i thought prevailed among bloggers ((and all of them in very respectable positions.. both in their realf lives.. and here in the blogosphere too..))
    i also fail to understand this huge rebellious outrage that has sweeped in the blogdom in the name of faltering down IIPMs.. most of them without checking the proper credentials and channels through which this outcry has been breeded, are blindily supporting the cause.. ((or atleast saying so.. wonder how many will actually stand when it comes to..))

    and it is not just IIPM.. there are thousands of institutions throughout india which need to approached in much the same way for running a black business under this guise..
    if we are standing against one.. let bring em al down to knees..

    most of u may now.. ((if practical sense still prevails in u..))may agree that this is not possible.. it runs core into the heartlands of india.. what with right from schools charging exhorbitanat and insane amounts of money for the basic education.. uder the name of donations.. fulfillments of which also leads to cancellation of which also means denial of admission..

    many and many more things need to be addressed.. sitting on ur laptops and desktops from ur offices and homes and ranting anti slogans doesnt really count and help..
    if u really wanna make it mainstream.. DO somethings more than just publishing blogs.. i dont think arindams gonna lose any business over some pittance calls.. ((hes' definitely making a fool of himself by sending those dubious mails from so called legal cells of planman..

    a humble request to all those following and supporting rashmi.. including rashmi herself..
    please verify and check details before reading and pledging for just one side of the story.. IIPM is definitely just one such institution.. there are more.. and such intelligent and reputed bloggers are not really expected to bejust acting rebel.. they are also supposd to DO BEYOND..

    wishes..

    shreyas ghuge

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  19. Hi
    I've been following this blog for sometime now. I am very skeptical of IIPM's stature as a B-School, largely due to its in-the-face aggressive advertising tactics.

    However it is heartening to see people like Shreyas and Andrew come up and argue in a decent manner for their institute. After reading comments of various fake bloggers in previous posts, I almost decided that IIPM was full of indecent ba^&*#!s who couldn't frame a decent sentence. IIPM, take note - if you have more people like Shreyas and Andrew...showcase them.

    It's a real pity that people who speak freely are brought to a situation where they are forced to resign from their jobs, like Gaurav. Apparently IIPM threatened to burn Thinkpads in front of the IBM office unless action was taken against Gaurav. Is this what an MBA institute is supposed to stand for ? Demonstrations and picketing ? I wonder how you would justify that, Andrew and Shreyas.

    I don't care about Arindam Chaudhari's academic qualifications. I know a lot of great managers who have no formal degrees in their areas, but have tons of practical experience. But how can he endorse such behavior from his institute's students ?

    If IIPM really wanted to prove Rashmi or Gaurav wrong, all they could have done is carried out an official line of investigation into the matter - enquiring into the validity of the assertions. If muscle power is what they want to win by, they had better open a gladiatorial academy instead of a B-School.

    It's sad about Gaurav, but I'm sure he will get a great job in no time. You don't have to dare to think beyond anything to realise that an IIM stamp scores light years ahead of an IIPM logo.

    Actually I feel sadder for IIPM, as whatever little credibility they might have had before this mess started has been totally ripped apart by the incompetent and tactless way they reacted to it.

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  20. hi rashmi,
    i got a link to ur blog just abt 2 mnths back and have been reading it on & off. this goin on thing is great fun to read - can't contribute bcoz dont have enuff time to research this and dont believe in faking an accent. juss wanted to say that it is amazing how u can play devil's advocate all the time - i mean liked ur style of discerning thiings and tearing apart symbolisms to put the facts in light.

    ~keep the flag flying high
    Paul
    http://rebelatwork.blogspot.com

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  21. Well Ma'am,

    Not sure who was the fuckhead behind all of this muck, it seems it was Prof. Chaudhari, who used to be a flea manager at a poultry farm. He used to count the chickens before they hatched, and was thus chucked out because of the ridiculousness of the idea. IIPMians, get a life. Stop crapping on respected blogs.

    No worries Ma'am, like other zillion bloggers, I express my complete support and would be happy to support you from a legal standpoint. Though I'm not a lawyer but the firm I work for has tons of them.

    Best wishes,
    Rahul

    I mean TheRealRahulJindal.

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  22. Its sad that Gaurav had to take such a decision. But I am sure he is gonna be back in business soon.
    -
    Sandesh
    http://oktoberchyld.blogspot.com/

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  23. Rashmi..

    Ignore the morons. :) You did a great job.

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  24. Hey Rashmi,
    I felt a deep sense of anguish at the comments some callous life forms unfortunately passing off as humans have posted. I really hope they are brought to book..you should definitely consider legal action, if only for the sake of the hallowed principles of democracy that we see being brutally violated so often in our country.

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  25. Hey Rashmi,

    IIPM has reacted in a very decrepited manner, this is not expected of an institute acclaiming to be at par to the IIM's.

    I remember JAM also did an article on IIT-Delhi, questioning the quality of teaching etc based on feedback of the students,
    IIT Delhi students did'nt react as a bunch of hoodlums and also the administration kept silent and let its quality speak.

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  26. Hey Rashmi,

    Glad to be of any help. :-)

    Varna

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  27. Hey rashmi

    want u to know lots of people are behind u and gaurav. keep up the good work

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  28. Rashmi,
    Kudos to you for a job well done. I came across a blog write-up on this affair, including some of the distasteful allegations that have been levelled against you. Plus ca change plus ca continue: evidently character assassination of a certain sort remains a potent weapon when it comes to women. While it's easy for someone like me to say, hope you keep your chin up!

    Regards,
    Umair

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  29. goodness gracious, so much has been written abt "eye eye pee em" now ...
    guys do u realise the amount of free publicity they are getting??

    stop all this...we all know the futility of this exercise..arindam is a master of the art of cheating n we hope all these posts would hv helped future MBA aspirants to decide wisely...

    even in case of andy, i guess its more out of frustration!! tuff luc k mate..

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  30. Rashmi, you guys rock! And so does Gaurav!!

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  31. To introduce myself, I currently go to a Ivy League school. In the spirit of full disclosure, I went to IIMA quite a few years ago. (IIPMers will probably think that my faulty IIMA education caused me to go back to books again). In the same spirit, I have met Rashmi Bansal once (though she won't remember that) at a IIMA event, and found her very pleasant.

    I find it totally believeable that Ivy league professors have given seminars at IIPM. They are very willing to do that, when they visit a city (in fact they look for opportunities to do that), and many professors from top schools have been visiting India over the past few years.

    What exactly is a seminar? It is a one and half hour event where professors present their research. Yes, so IIPM gets a lot of these cutting edge thoughts, though some of it may be like medicines before clinical trials.

    During such a seminar, professors usually present some research that they are working on. It deals with a very specific question (eg. does fertility respond to financial incentives?), and discusses either a theoretical model or some data analysis or both.

    Professors like to present their work to as many audiences as possible to get feedback, and it is really difficult to get people to listen to your research (no matter how famous you are), because there is a lot of research getting done. This feedback helps polish a paper before it is sent to a scholarly journal. So, IIPM students may actually have helped in the creation of knowledge.

    Now, is this a lot of value to a MBA student? I would normally think no, even if the topic is something that the student is interested in. For example, a talk on "Which banks get taken over" is not really useful for a finance MBA student.

    If most of the IIPM students are PhD aspirants, then this is no doubt insightful regarding what research is like, and how it gets done. But, that is unlikely.

    I am not questioning the veracity of the statement, as I know for a fact that IIPM reaches out to a lot of top professors inviting them to give seminars. However, is it fair to advertise faculty seminars in this manner, as if it is a class or sharing of general insight?

    Next, Rashmi, if there is an error in reporting, I would expect JAM to own up to it.. even Newsweek did that when it got into trouble over Iraq. If someone has WiFi, when you said they didnt, just mention it the next time... many people's houses have wi-fi. And it is entirely possible for librarians not to know about wi-fi, even if it is there. They may just call it wireless lan.

    To IIPM students, your placements wont get worse because of this. Companies hire smart people when they go to IIPM. They dont expect you to have been trained (neither do they expect that at IIMA), but they expect sensible and rational thinking, so that you can learn on the job. Please recognize that your infrastructure doesnt match up to one of the top business schools towards learning productivity even if you have a swimming pool in one campus. Dont get obsessed with one-off petty factual issues, rather than recognizing that things need to improve, especially if people like you have paid such high fees.

    If someone is smart enough to go to IIPM, he is smart enough to get a job. Also, there are always people who do not apply for campus placements, even at IIMA. The key metric is what proportion of people who relied on campus to get a job found a job through campus.

    Anyway, this has been too long. Thanks for reading thru this, if you got this far.

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  32. sid, you dont have to be smart to get to IIPM; you just have to have money. They dont have any placements...go to technocrati & search the facts. They are hired only at graduate level....

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  33. Hi Rashmi

    I heard of the IIPM fiasco on internal college discussion boards and i have an incident to contribute. An year ago, I came across a review on Mouthshut.com (http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Choosing_the_Right_Career-57112-1.html) by somebody who claimed to be a IIT Delhi student and who left a IIM Bangalore selecton for IIPM. Incidentally I am also from IIT Delhi and in IIM-B right now (unfortunatrly did not apply to iipm). This post signifies how their viral marketing is very deep ,thought out and fallacious at the same point.

    Quoting from the post

    "My friends ask me, ?Is it tru that Arindam is only 33?? I tell them that when i passed out of IIPM, he was only 29, and it was still an amazing experience. IIPM has given me so much and I can proudly state that there is nobody else but Arindam who has been the reason for IIPM's earth shattering growth.

    I passed out of DPS R.K. Puram (Sidd?s batch; guys hope you remember)and then joined IIT Delhi (Kanchenjunga junta put enthu man!!!!)...."

    OK now there is NO Hostel in IIT Delhi named Kanchenjunga (they are however named on mountains like karakoram, aravali etc.

    Also later in the post

    "If anyone wants to debate please call me at American Express where I work as director ,analytics (call for Rajiv Sabharwal)..."

    There is no guy named like above on the IIT delhi alumni register. you can check on (http://www.iitd.ernet.in/alumni/)

    Then I thought, hmmm this institute is taking some pains to plant reviews on the net. But with this blog incident..hopefully more people will know the truth.
    Anyways take care..and keep writing..


    Cheers
    Apurv

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  34. ".... but anyway, like i said, it's perhaps not anymore about the issue's typical debates that one might be concerned about; but perhaps about the overall tenacity with which we handle these things"

    Hey andy!! just loved ur text, beautiful rhetoric. They teach you to write like this at IIPM? I guess its no wonder considering u have this peerless author heading it. Congrats man! it was an out of body experience reading this text, you guys have surely arrived

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  35. Dear Rashmi,
    With you! Go girl!

    Dont let all the nasty crap get you down...A fake latin quote for the occasion" Illegitimi non-carborundum est!

    Cheers!

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  36. yup...this story has got coverage in Todays hindustan times 3rd page. cudnt find the exact article. u can read the online version here
    http://70.86.150.98/Hindustantimes/login.aspx
    {stupid complusory registration reqd!!!)

    the article doesnt stress the fact that the claims made by I WILL PEE ON THEM are tall and very obviously false.



    the times of india obviously still counting cash has some stupid article on yahoo blogs!!

    ALL THE BEST guys!!

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  37. Hi Rashmi,

    Commenting here for the first time - but that's coz I read ur blog for the first time y'day. And this is largely away from this debate ( is that a relief? :-))

    I said 'largely' coz before I move on, I wud comment on one thing - or ask one question to some commentors here - how is making fun of Arindam's 'ponytail' less personal attack than the stupid ones in the prev post about Rashmi's alleged 'lesbianism'?


    Anyways, Rashmi, even though I came thanks to this debate thru some blog, I sat and read thru your entries from Jan onwards ( till about June) and was compelled to comment :

    I am really attracted to the way u write - even though I did not agree to many view points, but the language you presented them was lucid, simple, and straight- and the best part is , without any 'attitude' or 'holier-than-thou' or 'i- m- the- best- and- all- rest- are- shit' tone, (that is often characteristic of many good English writers).

    Really, at the point of sore repitition, let me say, it was a pleasure reading thru ur words.

    And (groan), it also made me acutely aware of my own pathetic literary skills on my blog :(

    One question that bothered me - in a post on 'boy oh boy' u mentioned, 'men only want one thing' - no offence taken , as I m sure u didnt mean any - and then, since u didnt specify that 'one thing' I will royally take it for whatever I mean ;-)) But the reactions to that post were quite vociferous. And you followed it up with another.

    It was the last line of that other post that I wish to comment on - you said that u wud request ur son (if u had one) : "Make sure your girlfriend is someone you would feel proud enough to bring home and introduce to me"


    The entire post/blog seems u r keen to be friends with ur offspring -at whatever best way u can. But if u make such a dictate to ur son, arent u robbing him off that comfort? After all, during the process of choosing, finding, or falling, it seems u wudnt be there, and only await the final result. For, in all probability, he wud be left to consult /discuss/rant/rave with his peer friends than with his parents, and leaves him pretty much isolated in a way, doesnt it? Plus, he wud be in constant pressure to ensure that he 'lives upto ur expectation' of that 'perfect bahu', doesnt it? This is pretty much the story in other spheres of life - career and studies included. I understand the sentence is still in hypothetical stage, and is well meant, but to a son, it will send very strong signals otherwise. I know that, for I am the only son of my parents, and often, instead of following what i might perceive correct, i find myself thinking - is this what my parents want? Can i take this 'trophy' back home and will my mother be proud of it?

    I hope u got my point - not lucid enuff like u to get it across, but still... what i meant is that parents shud be there in the process of selection, rather than await the end result.

    Well, for now, let me immerse in some more of ur writings, and perhaps pick up a few cues on how to present thoughts in a comprehensive but clear manner. Take care, and if I may say so, it wud be nice (and an ego-booster, honestly - i am a male after all ;-)) if u cud visit my blog sometime, and read thru the older stuff ( the main page right now is hardly worth reading , since i was largely away from active writing in a way)...

    (The main blog link is given below; the blogger one is inactive, and profile created to comment mainly on blogs that disallow 'anon comments')

    Warm regards,
    Deepak Jeswal
    http://randomexpressions.rediffblogs.com

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  38. Hi Rashmi...
    soemeone pls do come up with the legality of this issue....
    Can someone's personal blog, which is completely your terrirtory, be used in a legal battle against him?
    I have seen blogs from the USA that are fascists, racists and even exhorting terrorism..Nobody's been sued for that.
    I understand responsible journalism is one thing, but even if everything said about IIPM were untrue, how does it matter?
    Blogging is not journalism
    ..a blog is just an online diary..How can I one be persecuted for his thoughts, even if he screams hoarse about the country in his blog....
    Rashmi, your silence is only giving all the wrong signals..do tell us whats happening

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  39. I'm an HR manager and I've had dealings with folks from IIPM before... i just love their strategy of (attempting to) hijacking other insti's placements.... i was once recruiting frontline sales execs from graduate colleges in delhi.... i'd hired a business centre and asked the shortlisted students from 4-5 colleges to come down there... and somehow IIPM got wind of this.... and landed in full force in their shiny blue suits (and beige saris!)... and requested me to consider their students too.... i was quite bemused and said to them that "hey... these are grad students, not MBA's i'm hiring... why would IIPM students even look at these jobs?".... and the chappie says... does not matter sir, we just want placements.... or words to that effect.... well, i said... if you insist... and so i interviewed a few chaps and hired a couple too.... a very vivid recollection i had was of this really really earnest boy.... who obviously came from a financially disadvantaged background..... i asked him how he'd financed his IIPM fee .. which I believe was some 4.5 lacs or somesuch then... and said he'd taken a loan for some 3 lacs.... i said to him, look this job will give you some 10-12k in hand every month, how will you service the loan EMI and also live on the balance (if any)?.... he said he's no choice as he felt he was gonna get a great placement after joining there and now with a sunk investment, he'd no option to carry thru.... sad.. not to say that this does not happen elsewhere, but somehow... not that this is a comment on the students of IIPM (I hired this boy and he's done really well).... but I get the feeling that its probably not right for insti's like these to do a snow job like this... i mean caveat emptor and all that... but this is career ka sawaal no?....

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  40. wow...this arindam guy has got an overnight popularity!!
    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/globalvoices/2005/10/10/india-defending-freedom-of-speech/

    harvard and all? cool!!! i guess he must be best friends with most of the profs there since they visit the iipm insititutes that have sprung up everywhere in india.

    wow...an online encyclopedia as well!!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iipm
    this is just great!!!!

    and heres my fave one :
    http://coolavenues.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=527&sid=c9e4217da9ab3c9109461151c61e3b44

    IIPM Story!
    Once upon a time there was a pony-tailed guy called Arindam Chaudhary who had a famous dad who had worked at IIMB and was on some planning commission n stuff!

    So our Arindam decided to leverage dad's legacy and his ponytail to start IIPM - an effort to achieve his great Indian dream!

    Currently the dream is something like this:
    1) You have IIPM centres at every major city... all it takes is a few rooms in some fancy building. These buildings are splashed across full page ads in Education Times with Mr. Pony Tail and his best selling book.
    2) IIPM's admission process is a farce. Almost everyone who applies gets selected coz they have so many centres and they squeeze somewhere around 250-300 students per bacth. They also run multiple batches like Autumn Batch, Spring Batch etc.
    3) I visited their Delhi centre for a fest. Imagine a Bschool fest with competitions like dancing, rangoli, collage making. The faculty is mostly IIPM ... and most of them can be mistaken for students. Infact girl students were teasing each other about their male teachers. I dont think anyone of them knows the first thing about management education
    4) Infra wise I dont know if IIPM has heard of a full-fledged computer centre, the library was nowhere to be seen. Its only that building.. thats it!

    And here's why I am writing all this piece. Coz I hate Arindam Chaudhary... he makes more money than me even though I am from a top 10 B school. I hate his genius.. fooling so many students for so long takes a lot of cretivity and ingenuity. The fees are steep.. about 4 lakhs and there are enough rich kids around who will pay just to get that MBA!

    Pay some survey people.. get a no. 4 ranking on something called Industry interface and spalsh it in media. The gullible idiots out there wont read the fine print.

    The IIPM brochure looks like that of a Honeymoon resort... so no wonder Arindam has catered to his target audience.. rich kids who r looking for a 'good' time for 2 years!

    But then so many middle-... n poor students are also falling into this trap! But then those who do.. deserve it!

    As for Placements... half the rich kids go back to their businesses... the rest join call centres or end up job less. The rest join IIPM as faculty I think! Boy the government should ban such places. I am sure they dont have a single Phd on their faculty, screw the phd they wudnt have one faculty with more than 5 years experience.

    Meanwhile.. Arindam decided to fool more people by making shit movies lie "Rok sako toh.. rok lo"!


    ---------------------


    Hats off to you Rashmi!!! Bcoz of your "smalltime publishing company" a scam of this sort was unearthed.

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  41. I don't have my own hard facts, but I believe Rashmi's side of the story.

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  42. I don't know about IIPM but the kind of vitriol that is being spewed in these comments against RB does not give very good impression about them.

    I think these well wishers of IIPM will have done more service to IIPM by keeping quiet rather than coomenting and removing all doubts.

    Best wishes, RB.

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  44. Rashmi, as a relative newcomer into the blogging scenario,i fully extend my support to you and your magazine!

    But as mentioned before, it would be nice if your magazine published an 'errata' column in your forthcoming issues, indicating any mistakes, if any, in your report on the IIPMs.

    And even i personally don't think that an institute couldn't possibly afford even Wi-fi hotspots!! They are highly affordable, and a very common installment in most places nowadays.

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  45. I think you're cool, Rashmi. True, you're also human.

    But you... you're way cool. Don't give up the fight, not just yet. And yeah, you need anything, just give us all a holler.

    Gaurav, you too.

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  46. Andy,

    Appreciate your posts here.

    Could you please also justify the following ?

    1. Email/notice sent to Gaurav and RB to remove posts etc ?

    2. Why was no legal action taken as said in the mails ?

    3. How about threatening to burn laptops ? Does a good managements institute consider such a thing ?

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  47. Dear fellow,

    I am having a very funny feeling that andy can be Arindam Chowdhary by himself. After reading previous posts by IIPM students, I seriously doubt that they are capable of any sensible talks.

    Regards

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  48. my support to gaurav and rashmi,

    visit:
    http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com/2005/10/boo-boo-to-bullying.html

    Jinesh Zaveri.
    SIF Activist Mumbai

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  49. "GOTA" Program:

    Picked this up the iipm website:
    (About Us -> Alliances)

    "But probably the strongest support that IIPM obtains is in its GOTA (Global Opportunities & Threats Analysis) program. The world's leading institutions have regularly supported the endeavours of IIPM to expose students to international and global management practices. The names of the faculties from the institutions that have supported IIPM's GOTA program in the past are given below.
    "

    no offence meant, cause im scared of legal consequences.....on a brighter note my cable bill is really getting expensive.....

    Raj

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  50. Alright Rashmi, there's been ample demonstration of support for you. Cheers to all boggers. But where are you? Could something keep you occupied other than the developments here, when so many eyes are fixed on this issue? The clear picture is not yet out; or, is it?

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  51. Rashmi
    Shine on!!!!!

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  52. wow!! great job. have done a look at all what IIPM is since it has a campus in ahmedabad - it sux!!
    great job rashmi -
    "tum sangharsh karo, hum tumhaare saath hain" - smth from my campus lingo
    ~Paul
    http://rebelatwork.blogspot.com

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  53. Hey Rashmi,

    Hats off to you as a blogger. We are all with you. We are in the era..when there exists something known as Freedom of Speech. This fake IIPM cannot stand against you and Gaurav Sabnis.
    You people are great.

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  54. Throw some updates..

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  55. Well.. I am eagerly waiting for a response.. infact i so deeply into this matter now that it forced a blog hater like me to write a blog.. Neways long battle ahead it seems.. THe issue now is "TO BE OR NOT TO BE"

    BAA

    http://divyendushekhar.blogspot.com

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  56. hey today is 13th october. you last posted on 9th october. now what happened? In banglore or what?
    update something..or at least say something..

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  57. We are getting sick and tired of all this bullshit against iipm.

    Just because none check you on the blogs you think you can ruin our reputation? Who read all this crap anyways.

    Everything can be bought in this world. You journalists are the first ones to sell yourself.
    We all laugh at you and the time you are wasting. Seems you have no life or work.

    We are looking everything and will get all of you. Screw all the journalists!!
    You have no brains. You wouldn’t even get admission in iipm

    Stop messing our life or else….

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  58. hello rashmi, carry on the fight against fake bloggers and haughty blabbers who seem to not know the power of free speech.
    p.s.-u are doing a great job.

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  59. i apepeal to students of niit who feel cheated ....by the ads of niit come forward and take a stand...

    their say through ads that GNIIT is enough and can be an alternative to a BTECH or MBA or any graduation degree is wrong and misleading and their job related statistics are also misleading...

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  61. Worked with a bank which was supposed to have done campus. Crap. We never went there, our placement agency did. We jst recvd CV's, and recruited on merit.

    A bunch of spoilt oversmart kids with no integrity or values. Goes after their Dean, I guess. They were also desperate for ANY placement, as the campus provided none. Happily took up 7k/month jobs.

    Funnily, they openly criticised the great "guru" as fraud! As per them, he had no real knowledge,only lies, with outlandish behaviour and ideas.

    However, Arindam is a smart dude, and am sure us laughing at all the free publicity.

    Cheers!

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  62. Rashmi,
    Adding my support! Good going. You have taken indian blogosphere by storm. My supporting entry at http://www.desihub.com/blog/comments/mihir?anchor=indian_blogosphere_heating_up

    -mihir

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