tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post116374936845420753..comments2023-12-24T01:23:48.970+05:30Comments on Youth Curry - Insight on Indian Youth: Why you should pay noticeRashmi Bansalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17447667745099994241noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-64606911884555385702009-11-19T03:39:06.607+05:302009-11-19T03:39:06.607+05:30The cuisine of India is characterized by the use o...The cuisine of India is characterized by the use of various spices, <a href="http://www.enterbet.com" rel="nofollow">sportsbook</a> herbs and other vegetables grown in India and also for the widespread practice of vegetarianism across many sections of its society. <a href="http://www.enterbet.com" rel="nofollow">bet nfl</a> Each family of Indian cuisine is characterized by a wide assortment of dishes and cooking techniques. 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Indian cuisine has had a remarkable influence on cuisines across the world, especially those from Southeast Asiapedro velasquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04906868750940934366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-54875019411301371322008-03-14T12:32:00.000+05:302008-03-14T12:32:00.000+05:30I would say if serving a 3 months of notice period...I would say if serving a 3 months of notice period is so ethical, why not to make it a global policy across the country. Like Rashmi mentioned five years down the line young guns would understand serving notice period better, is she not herself ignoring the problems of their age.indrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08259608730594150675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-22774355599268087612008-03-14T12:28:00.000+05:302008-03-14T12:28:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.indrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08259608730594150675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-81845905467936996862007-09-20T02:01:00.000+05:302007-09-20T02:01:00.000+05:30It's the same old story again.... Employer lays do...It's the same old story again.... Employer lays down all the rules and if the employee does not follow it then it is a bad employee...<BR/><BR/>Recent very disturbing trends that 've noticed in the IT industry...<BR/><BR/>All the major companies make the new employess sign bonds. Freshers are the most badly affected..The bonds are in the range of a few lakhs of rupees and the bond periods go to almost a few years (2 years is the longset 've come across) in fact the fresher has not choice all the major companies have the same kind of bond.. this is how the bond works... on the day of signing the offer letter one has to pay a X amount (usually ranges from 1lak to 2.5lak) if you dont have the money the company has its own bank that pays on your behalf and one signs an agreement with the bank to repay the amount... i think this is the heights ... companies are asking one to pay a huge and hefty sum to hire the so called best talents into the best industry ... and one has no choice X or Y one got to sign the bond and then starts the drama...<BR/><BR/># ur company has hired you to show bench strength <BR/># they give you high class training (they teach u java in a day , oracle in half day, ...so on and so forth) end of training after 2 or 3 months one is trained in all the new technologies<BR/># 4 months down the line, they still cant place in u in any project<BR/># 6 months down the line the company is paying u the paltry sal they offered in the hike letter... no appraisals coz u r a fresher not confirmed only confirmed employees get sal hikes.. wen will u be a confirmed employee ?? after ur training period ... ? when is that .. that is when you have completed ur so called class training and another 12 months of project training ... after that u wait for another year for confirmation ... u r working on some low end job monitoring all the while...<BR/># during this whole period the company can fire u for n number of reasons, but u r still liable to pay the bond becoz u signed it with the bank<BR/># i know of a company in which on day one the guy some big shot who adressed the new joiness all freshers said "dont plan to get married or anything which might require you to leave within the next two years... i have only two words for him.... <BR/># each new candidate company recruits it gets a few lakhs from the bank ... i know a company which recruited almost 5000 or 6000 people in the last 6 months or so with a 2 lak price on each new joinees head ... how much does that make 200000 multiplied by 6000 ... and now they are firing people for flimsy reasons like continued absence of more than a week.... even though the employee says that i informed, my leave was approved the HR simply says i didnt receive your email.....<BR/><BR/>the saga continues....<BR/><BR/>PKPKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12148649123200847579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-71145366317613203242007-09-18T22:04:00.000+05:302007-09-18T22:04:00.000+05:30If interested read this blog:http://crusader365.bl...If interested read this blog:<BR/>http://crusader365.blogspot.com/Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17160662603352408826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-44386372529482910782007-09-18T22:00:00.000+05:302007-09-18T22:00:00.000+05:30Well,most of the bargains (deals with companies ak...Well,most of the bargains (deals with companies aka Offer Letter) on Notice period are typically one-sided. There is no collective bargaining. India is only weak in legislation around this even though I am not sure why Factories Act cannot be applied to most of IT / BPO companies.<BR/><BR/>With due respects, companies exploit employees and a strong legisltive and legal redressal would be needed. Till then, absconding is the only way out.Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17160662603352408826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-3485287531005457592007-04-24T02:58:00.000+05:302007-04-24T02:58:00.000+05:30Here is my take on it -Having been in the IT indus...Here is my take on it -<BR/><BR/>Having been in the IT industry for about a period of 5 years, I have seen that one has to be prepared for every eventuality including, what is commonly known as "The Bus Test". "The Bus Test" goes like this -<BR/><BR/>What if coming into work one day, one of your team members gets hit my a bus and dies? How will your project cope then?<BR/><BR/>The eventuality that an employee needs to leave and leave ASAP is something that needs to be planned for and having a two or three month notice period is NOT the answer. What if the employee had a family emergency and could no longer work? Do you still force the employee to work?<BR/><BR/>Notice period is a legal agreement that needs to have a way out for all parties. In my opinion notice periods which do not have a buy out clause or have a buy out clause at the discretion of the company management is unethical in the least, if not bordering on being illegal.<BR/><BR/>Whenever a contract is signed between two parties, there needs to be a "buy out" clause which leaves no room for discretion on either party. If I do not want to work, I do not want to work - Period. If because of my not working, you as a company are suffering a loss, I am willing to compensate you for it - to the extent of the salary you pay me. Forcing me to work during this time is a fundamental violation of my rights as a free and independent individual.<BR/><BR/>Sure, every employee wants to part on good terms. However, circumstances do arise when an employee feels he/she needs to leave the company in a hurry and forcing an employee to stay on is not the answer. <BR/><BR/>For example, in my case, the transition was completed in 3 weeks and I was willing to pay one month's salary in lieu of notice but my employer just wanted to continue billing me even though technically I had check marked all the boxes (Manager had agreed, Transition had taken place, I was willing to pay one month's salary).<BR/><BR/>In the US there is a law which enforces this fundamental aspect of working - It is called "Employment at Will". It means that every employee is free to leave employement whenever he or she wants just as every employer is able to terminate any employee at will. Either party needs to give 2 weeks notice or salary in lieu of. There is no ambiguity and the law is nationally enforced.<BR/><BR/>In India, 2 weeks notice would be considered very less and that is fine. Make it 2 months notice or salary in lieu of. However, there should be no room for discretion on either party and if an employee is willing to pay salary in lieu of notice, then it should be accepted by the company.<BR/><BR/>I think a legal overhaul of this is long due and eventually we as a society will probably move towards that. Till that time, this is a nice discussion to have!Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17176442005381499752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1165858303792360192006-12-11T23:01:00.000+05:302006-12-11T23:01:00.000+05:30Very true indeed. I agree with you 100% that every...Very true indeed. I agree with you 100% that every employee must give a proper notice period to the employer. But I feel the basic problem that needs to be addressed is attrition. Check out my experience in the IT insustry at http://cacafonix.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1165254129291758422006-12-04T23:12:00.000+05:302006-12-04T23:12:00.000+05:30this is my experience- check itthis is my experience-<BR/><A HREF="http://big-bite.blogspot.com/2006/12/relieving-letter.html" REL="nofollow"> check it</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164186415396702642006-11-22T14:36:00.000+05:302006-11-22T14:36:00.000+05:30Interesting Read..Interesting Read..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164157817573784692006-11-22T06:40:00.000+05:302006-11-22T06:40:00.000+05:30Srinivas: The point I was making was with regard t...Srinivas: The point I was making was with regard to the fact that having blogspot-user-only comments is fairly restrictive, and reduces participation. Blogspot does have the facility to allow you to moderate comments while allowing other blog engine users to participate!<BR/>My question was not in a sarcastic tone at all. Although, if it came across in that way, I do apologise.Mohithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02548584764867792962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164148209472937582006-11-22T04:00:00.000+05:302006-11-22T04:00:00.000+05:30to Just Mohit,though u asked the question to rashm...to Just Mohit,<BR/>though u asked the question to rashmi i wud like to comment on it since i am a regular reader of this blog as to :<BR/>itne saare blog sites hain to aap idhar kyun padhaar rahe hain .<BR/>if u want i can also tell u some sites where u dont have to make a <BR/>ID even ,u can write whatever u want as anonymous and ask people to comment ,if u r intrested :)<BR/>to moderate a entry in one's blog is one's personal decision ,and especially if people are going to post comments in sarcastic/foul way it helps too ;)panchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14145643862361040459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164121380054968112006-11-21T20:33:00.000+05:302006-11-21T20:33:00.000+05:30Interesting take from an employee's long-term pers...Interesting take from an employee's long-term perspective! Can't agree more.<BR/><BR/>My own take on the issue is at http://unjustly.wordpress.com/2006/11/21/recruiting-ethics/<BR/><BR/>Oh & btw, what's the deal about letting only blogspot users comment on your blog? Aur bhi bahut saare blog hosting sites hain, ma'am! ;-)Mohithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02548584764867792962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164110780350922652006-11-21T17:36:00.000+05:302006-11-21T17:36:00.000+05:30Hi,I started by commenting here but couldnt and th...Hi,<BR/><BR/>I started by commenting here but couldnt and then saved & posted my comments at http://sunitathomas.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164042213030314292006-11-20T22:33:00.000+05:302006-11-20T22:33:00.000+05:30Mr Ashish,This is especially for you."Who gave you...Mr Ashish,<BR/><BR/>This is especially for you."Who gave you the power and intelligence to decide whether this GUY was fit or misfit for the industry" ??Don't forget,that when you make such immature statements ,the other three fingers are obviously pointing towards you.It raises a question on your credibiilty and competence as a boss,I don't think someone who has so much of vengeance for his subordinates can ever be confident about himself.<BR/><BR/>And now,don't go and harm this person.I am one of those thousands of anonymous bloggers who visit this site very frequently and don't ever put a comment unless we come across such stupid comments from you.And next time you vent out such nuissance about your subordinates at such public places,please give it a serious thought,bec. these are the kind of bosses,people hate.<BR/><BR/>You might have passed from an IIM or IIT ,as you have mentioned in your profile,but such loose talks certainly don't impress any of the readers here.So think,before you speak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164042035539831572006-11-20T22:30:00.000+05:302006-11-20T22:30:00.000+05:30aaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1164002355972575302006-11-20T11:29:00.000+05:302006-11-20T11:29:00.000+05:30RashmiI wish you had applied some Gandhigiri conce...Rashmi<BR/>I wish you had applied some Gandhigiri concepts with your ex-colleagues!<BR/><BR/>I have been in a similar situation, but somehow I had a feeling that the guy was a misfit in IT industry (he worked with me,fought with everybody in the team while leaving and left for MBA). So when the time came for reco letter, I made sure that I overlook all of our past relationship and I always had a feeling that this fella is not at all a technie material!..<BR/>Now that guy is out of MBA and we are good friends..<BR/>Point that I am trying to make is many a times <B>people are misfit in their current role (especially when the entire world is running after software industry)</B>, and I would rather judge them by their intelligence/attitude rather than their current assignment.<BR/>Infact, it's good that such people quit org. and cause less harm.<BR/><BR/>-Ashish<BR/><A HREF="http://ashish-sinha.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">iDea Labs</A>Ashishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16137601243332978745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163997227248311092006-11-20T10:03:00.000+05:302006-11-20T10:03:00.000+05:30Rashmi,myself - 5 years & in the 3rd job.I would a...Rashmi,<BR/><BR/>myself - 5 years & in the 3rd job.<BR/>I would agree with you that an employee must seve his notice period, if for nothing else than for good relations.<BR/>In my industry - pharmaceuticals and more so in my work area, the field is really small and every one knows every one else.<BR/>I left my 1st Org, and actually convinced my then boss to waive 2/3 of the notice period. & in the 2nd case, got away with 1/2 of the period. Never paid a rupee as notice purchase. I do not suggest ever purchasing the period as it smacks of high handedness, even if your next employer is ready to purchase it.<BR/><BR/>Also, the fact is that the Organisation is always more powerful than an employee, so leaving on a +ve note makes a lot of sense.<BR/><BR/>I think a majority of your blog commentors come from IT and hence they have a different view of things.<BR/><BR/>Regards,GenericIPguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11496346005259927408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163982513853419012006-11-20T05:58:00.000+05:302006-11-20T05:58:00.000+05:30Hi,An awesome post as usual...I couldn't agree mor...Hi,<BR/><BR/>An awesome post as usual...<BR/>I couldn't agree more to what you are saying...<BR/>notice periods are important and should be respected by both employers and employees.<BR/>But the unfortunate truth is there is a lack on ethics in honouring notice period commitments, both from employers and employees.<BR/><BR/>Consider my case. I resigned after 3.5 yrs of service, a long time considering my company's attrition rate :). I was going for higher studies and not to another job. My visa had been delayed and I had to travel within 45 days of my resignation. The notice period in the company was 2 months. During the discussions, I stated my situation and requested them to waive off one month from the notice period. After 2 weeks of negotiation, they finally agreed that I serve one month and they'll waive the rest off. <BR/>But the last day, after I got my relieving letter and returned my ID card, I was told that they had decided against it!!<BR/>I couldn't even enter the premises to discuss the issue. It took a lot of haggling to finally get the waiver. <BR/><BR/>In my opinion, it's not just the employees, but the employers <B>also</B> who need to show maturity in handling notice periods. Parting with a company should not leave a bitter taste for either the employers or the employees. <BR/>-VaidyaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163947304204593732006-11-19T20:11:00.000+05:302006-11-19T20:11:00.000+05:30A few weeks back 40% of the workforce in my co. wa...A few weeks back 40% of the workforce in my co. was asked to leave and they were given 5 mins. to pack their stuff (on monday evening and the reason was 'skill set mismatch').<BR/>In the world of employees and employers finding a common ground to work for each other (let's not talk about loyalty!)and doesn't take much time to break tht thread, why do you think it's important for an employee to play goodies? <BR/>Actually, a friend of mine left his earlier org. after he realized that his boss is a complete a**h*le - and now his boss is the CEO of a startup. Mr. boss contacted me for a potential offer. Do you think I will join his co.? Infact, that guy desperately wants few good people((IIT/IIM branded - and is ready to pay good paycheck as well). But isn't successful. Why? Because my friend shared his experience with whole lotta friends and those guys with theirs.<BR/>At the end of the day, people join companies but quit their bosses. So, if those QA guys have left the co. it's time to Q&A their boss as well - Why did they quit? Were they assigned the right kinda stuff (as promised during the interview phase?)? The fact that they literally ran away shows that there is something wrong with the co's approach as well. <BR/>This is not a black or white scenario. I do agree that it's good to have a cordial relationship with your prev. employer, but at the end of the day - It's your life. And if you are working for an a**h*le, you have gotta be strong enough to turn the tide. <BR/>And all these relationships are on professional front.<BR/>-Ashish.<BR/><A HREF="http://ashish-sinha.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">iDea Labs</A>Ashishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16137601243332978745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163938050007084272006-11-19T17:37:00.000+05:302006-11-19T17:37:00.000+05:30Hello I like ur blogHello I like ur blogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163931648407345572006-11-19T15:50:00.000+05:302006-11-19T15:50:00.000+05:30A background first: 22, M, 16 months in a consulti...A background first: 22, M, 16 months in a consulting firm. Quit. Served notice period, now writing for a youth magazine in Delhi.<BR/><BR/>I went through sleepless nights while i was leaving the firm. And while i DID serve the notice period (without much of an arguement), it left a bad taste in my mouth.<BR/><BR/>1. The employer may have a very long duration of notice period. Sometimes it crosses into the realms of senselessness. <BR/><BR/>2. Sometimes, different employees get different deals. Its just not fair. <BR/><BR/>3. Seperation is looked at as a crime, rather than a means to exploring new avenues.<BR/><BR/>All of these things happened to me when I left. Maybe mine is an extreme example...<BR/><BR/>But here's my point:<BR/>Even if the employees are super nice to their employees, the employees do not really care.<BR/>So *why* should the employee care.<BR/><BR/>Sure, your ex-boss may be a future CFO. And the person who does the leftover work may go to wharton -- All very compelling arguements, however, Does that justify the employee being treated like a doormat and accepting it.<BR/><BR/>I dont think so.<BR/><BR/>I did the whole courtesy bit, left on a good note- but it seems the other people who said "i want an extended leave, & if you dont give it - then dont expect a notice period out of me" ... seem to have gotten the better end of the stick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163925659776115462006-11-19T14:10:00.000+05:302006-11-19T14:10:00.000+05:30There's a good and healthy debate going over the i...There's a good and healthy debate going over the issue. While both parties have some valid points and reasons,the truth lies in the newton's 3rd law. to be more precise your karma.Neohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881907285598583838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163901223596373032006-11-19T07:23:00.000+05:302006-11-19T07:23:00.000+05:30Gr8 post Rashmi!But getting back to square zero, I...Gr8 post Rashmi!<BR/><BR/>But getting back to square zero, I would question employer's policy to keep notice period of 3 months! I very well understand the reasoning behind the notice period to wrap up your work and do the knowledge transfer to someone else. <BR/><BR/>But when employers are trying to be mean with unreasonable 3 month notice period, then employees also dont support HR policies.<BR/><BR/>Ofcourse, no employee enjoy spoiling relation with his/her previos employer. But they had to do it as they are left with no other option.<BR/><BR/>And I really doubt how productive are these employees during their notice period? Becasue they are physically present in the office, but their mind has already gone somewhere else.<BR/><BR/>I would rather keep a variable notice period. When I am sure that I have got the all information about the project from that employee on which he/she was working, he/she is free to leave. It can be 1 week or even 1 month.<BR/><BR/>So both employers and employees should be reasonable. <I> "Tali ek haath se nahi bajati" </I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1163888480539303622006-11-19T03:51:00.000+05:302006-11-19T03:51:00.000+05:30Nice post and Agree to most of the things you have...Nice post and Agree to most of the things you have said here but its not just the employees but the employers too , who should change their attitude. <BR/><BR/>One of my Engineering college junior was offered a job recently by a US-Based World-Renowned database company(now you know who I am talking abt). When he said he couldnt join them without serving a month's notice in his current company, The HR Manager of the new company asked him(and this was in a serious tone) to call in sick for a month in the old company and to join them from the next day. I was qiute shocked to hear this and it gave me an indication of the state of the affairs to win the race of talent in India these days. But yes, it the HR Manager is setting such an example for the new joiners, the company shudnt be surprised if they get paid in the same coin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com