tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post115624852584811339..comments2023-12-24T01:23:48.970+05:30Comments on Youth Curry - Insight on Indian Youth: Ethics of MBAs IIRashmi Bansalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17447667745099994241noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156698958841344092006-08-27T22:45:00.000+05:302006-08-27T22:45:00.000+05:30CV fudging happens at all places. Before quitting ...CV fudging happens at all places. Before quitting software programming my job to do an MBA, I used to take technical interviews for candidates (usually freshers). I have seen CV embellishment taken to art form. I've seen people lie brazenly. <BR/><BR/>It is a general phenomenon, and has nothing to do with MBAs. B-schools and ethics have nothing to do with each other. Ethics must be learnt at a far younger age.Sridhar Narasimhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04400452529438387940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156390674390701032006-08-24T09:07:00.000+05:302006-08-24T09:07:00.000+05:30sad..!!sad..!!Bhaveshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05803793566390974819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156360140417247522006-08-24T00:39:00.000+05:302006-08-24T00:39:00.000+05:30Dont the IIMS have the facility to defer admission...Dont the IIMS have the facility to defer admissions, if they do not, it is quite lame; the kind of thing that makes you not regret not giving THE CAT. <BR/>Come on guys open up is what I would say.rākeśvarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04820055582046424574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156358700420109722006-08-24T00:15:00.000+05:302006-08-24T00:15:00.000+05:30Rashmi,I also did not like some of the impressions...Rashmi,<BR/><BR/>I also did not like some of the impressions which are given by the post to a reader:<BR/><BR/>- you make it sound as if Gaurav did something heroic by not 'forging' his "certi"(in the first half of the post)- really? At one point you say "most would have taken the choice of forging certificates"- really? Well, most would tend to differ.<BR/><BR/>I agree forging academic credentials is rampant but definitely not soo rampant that "most" of the population would go that way.<BR/><BR/>- Another point i would like to make is, the prevalence of producing fraudulent degrees, academic papers is far more prevalent in the North than in the South and East. When i did my engineering and MBA, i have interacted with hundreds of students and i found this to be the case. The atitude of many north indian students (though not "most") is almost casual about this.Gaurav Mathur is a N.Indian...maybe thats why his friends reacted the way he did.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Maybe you did not intend to give these impressions...but reading through the first half of the post at least , thats what the 'dominant' rub off is.The latter half of the post clears you stand, but usually people always take messages from the first half of the post, especially a long one.uncommoncommonmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17156303222572772737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156353451460191272006-08-23T22:47:00.000+05:302006-08-23T22:47:00.000+05:30To Gaurav,Kyu aajkal sleep sweet aur peace zaadaa ...To Gaurav,<BR/><BR/>Kyu aajkal sleep sweet aur peace zaadaa hai...lagta hai khuda ka koi nek iraadaa hai.<BR/><BR/>Kal tak thaa guilt dil aaj shehzaadaa hai...lagta hai khuda ka koi nek iraadaa hai.<BR/><BR/>Regards...shitijhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152716719328775261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156347460235956132006-08-23T21:07:00.000+05:302006-08-23T21:07:00.000+05:30Hats off to Gaurav! I don't know how many others w...Hats off to Gaurav! I don't know how many others would have done the same, but then such people aren't lost yet...<BR/><BR/>I have met many heroes to think that Integrity is not lost yet. <BR/>CheersAdminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03866310511767111129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156345360113425832006-08-23T20:32:00.000+05:302006-08-23T20:32:00.000+05:30Why to blame the "CV" fudger when most of the "B s...Why to blame the "CV" fudger when most of the "B schools themselves " fudge placement details like C2C and no of offers, still no doubt Gaurav is a real hero.Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00627922865709111839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156341524343711922006-08-23T19:28:00.000+05:302006-08-23T19:28:00.000+05:30For IIMs it is quite easy to check and find out if...For IIMs it is quite easy to check and find out if the resumes have been fudged. What about IITsn and other engineering colleges where 1000+ students sit for placements each year ?Boundlessdreamzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365902935460373816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156336111941016172006-08-23T17:58:00.000+05:302006-08-23T17:58:00.000+05:30Rashmi,I don't know if anyone would agree with me ...Rashmi,<BR/><BR/>I don't know if anyone would agree with me here, but isn't this remark of yours blatantly unjustified:<BR/>So maybe the CV fudger has it all right after all – and will go on to do brilliantly in his corporate career. Gaurav Mathur, with his more active conscience should consider other career options. <BR/><BR/>There are CV fudgers, sign forgers and fund siphoners in all professions. rogue cops or hospitals aren't really surprises anymore. <BR/><BR/>You just said that it boils down to personal values and ethics can't be taught. There are people with not enough ethical values everywhere. Why make this out to be a particular fault of IIM's or even MBA's?the beinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06370459142520110673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156316758006690942006-08-23T12:35:00.000+05:302006-08-23T12:35:00.000+05:30Read all big words here..but really for the first ...Read all big words here..but really for the first time I felt "How important is a course to be officially completed".<BR/><BR/>What Gaurav has faced i've also been in same situation ..but at a lower level ie. Graduation. Life makes u eccentric. But..keep ur hope up, give water n sunlight again to ur dream.So tat again u get to that dreamland of urs n finally live ur dream .<BR/><BR/>Whatever may happen Life moves on, n our benefit is always. n as said," Whatever happens ,happens for the good only"<BR/><BR/>n man Gaurav now ur Rockstar..n most imp ur up in ur own eyes..I m glad to c someone like this.Keep tryin ...n make it this CAT or try ISB (got placement till Rs.1Crore) go for it!!<BR/>All the Best!<BR/><BR/>N ya..thanx Rashmi Di for communicating this matter.Vijetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13622480393589524235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156314563586038802006-08-23T11:59:00.000+05:302006-08-23T11:59:00.000+05:30its really sad whatever happened with Gaurav Mathu...its really sad whatever happened with Gaurav Mathur.Its not his fault that on one hand mumbai univ. & other univs finish off their engg course much b4 june end including exams,projects,viva & everything & his university is unable to speed up their curriculLum.IIM-C should have been a little more considerate with him & should have allowed him to continue with the course as anyways he would be done with his B.E. in 06.Not that he was fudging any details.<BR/><BR/>And what morals are we talking about when companies that recruit you,bloat their salary figures with 'n' hidden components and make it sound big & the same b-schools then use it to tom-tom to the world about their glorious placements.Navinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02911589200748098773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156313925223540702006-08-23T11:48:00.000+05:302006-08-23T11:48:00.000+05:30Rashmi,I know, I am getting into philosophy stuff ...Rashmi,<BR/>I know, I am getting into philosophy stuff but now that you have touched the subject I just have to write this.<BR/>You say,<I>"Character is what you do when no one is looking"</I><BR/>but think of it, what makes character. What is honesty/integrity etc. Why are there some people who would not do anything unethical even if a million dollars are offered and why would others do it. And why are there degrees of honesty, why something is okay while something else is not.<BR/>( lot of whys, i know )<BR/><BR/>The only answer that comes to my mind is that this is all about <I>FEAR</I>.<BR/><BR/>People are honest only when they fear something, that something may be fear of badnami, fear of losing something, fear of harming people you love, fear of getting caught and above all fear of god(fear of going to hell instead of heaven... seriously, there are some...)<BR/><BR/>I think i can attribute every act of honesty from anybody to one of these reasons. (Even Gaurav Mathur's, remember <I>"What's more he had a scooter accident – and many other near accidents – which he took as a sign from God to do ‘the right thing'"</I>)<BR/>Same way, any act of dishonesty can be attributed to the fact that the person feels that he/she can get away with it i.e. none of the mentioned fears apply. <BR/><BR/>Your CV fudger was someone who had "conquered his fears", only problem is that he got caught.<BR/><BR/>~Shikari<BR/><BR/>PS: Have you never done anything dishonest, to a lesser degree maybe, and gotten away with it???Crazy Reds Fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17628260478598380612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156310807662421612006-08-23T10:56:00.000+05:302006-08-23T10:56:00.000+05:30Strangly enough, our college has a guest lecturer ...Strangly enough, our college has a guest lecturer yesterday (Mr. Parag Parikh) who spoke on values and principles.<BR/><BR/>His agrument was that a person's value system might be right but it has to be principle centric. A crude analogy he gave was of a terrorist whose value system is to fight for his 'religion' but if it means killing innocent people, then it is not principle centric and thus he was in the wrong. Or a broker who advices an investor to enter markets when it is highly overpriced; his value system might tell him that since the market is rising, both the investor and he stand to make a profit. But as a broker, if he knows that the market is overpriced, he has to tell the ivestor not to enter or sell his holdings even if markets sppreciate further.<BR/><BR/>In the end, it is principles that matter.<BR/><BR/>Good post, Rashmi.Rohithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07885041172692414578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9605787.post-1156273916944110522006-08-23T00:41:00.000+05:302006-08-23T00:41:00.000+05:30Very well said ,who will gaurd the gaurds.Is it wr...Very well said ,who will gaurd the gaurds.<BR/>Is it wrong or right , its just dependent on your view point and in the end that s all that matters to your own self.Sirius Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18109440011166027181noreply@blogger.com